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The four secret jobs are probably the hardest bosses in the main game. I think I'd say there's only one other that's on their level, so I wouldn't say Saving Grace is really mandatory for anything else.

Except the bonus dungeon's boss lol. Do not play that without Saving Grace on all 8 party members.
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I didn't find the first phase particularly challenging. Just long. And I mainly don't want to have to go to the effort of setting up my second party again.
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Each of the 8 bosses beforehand took me three turns. How long are they supposed to take?
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I have no doubt I could do it with Saving Grace on all my party members. I'd be surprised if I lost after trying again. But I'm not going to do it, because there was no save point.
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Okay, an hour later and watching youtube my rage is mostly abated. The lack of save point is still very bad design though. I'd be happy to try the final boss again (and probably win) if I didn't have to waste all that time again).
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100% agreed with Panthera. Dumb as shit. Lucky that reviewers didn't get there or they'd probably have docked a few points from the game's score. If anyone tries the final dungeon, I'd highly advise reading strategies beforehand unless you want to waste your time.

I actually beat the first form. It wasn't insanely difficult, but it was tough...and then the second form was way tougher, and I had to fight it with my "secondary" party? WTF? How is that intuitive at all? I did have a well leveled secondary party and I put Tressa in there to keep them all alive, but that wasn't nearly enough, since he had that stupid "nullify all status enhancements on your party" shit. I didn't even manage to kill one of the enemy parts since I was basically constantly healing the whole time. Seems like it'd be impossible without Saving Grace on every character.

It sucks because I really enjoyed the final dungeon until then, and part one of the final boss was really fun. Oh well. Time to Youtube the ending I guess. I don't understand why you can't save in the final dungeon. It'd actually be fun to try the final boss again if I didn't have to fight eight fucking bosses on the way, and set up all 8 of my characters again.
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Thoughts on the character stories:

Ophilia: Basically good stuff from start to finish. The way the challenge (story-wise) gradually escalates is great. First, just getting the flame is the challenge. Then delivering the flame is easy, but she has other problems to deal with. Then she faces an obstruction to her quest itself, and finally she has to go into enemy territory and defeat them. This was also the best "guy controls a town" plot I think, since it tied into the rest of the story quite well and the religious stuff made it feel different. It's all very well done. Solid group of supporting characters too.

Cyrus: Even better than Ophilia's, mostly because the supporting cast is awesome. There's a whole bunch of other characters and they're pretty much all great. The last boss is really cool too, and unique from the others. I quite liked the final dungeon. Neat how it (assumably) sets up stuff for the post-game as well.

Tressa: Not my favorite path. I like what they were going for with a non-action based story, but it was just full of dungeons anyway. Plus, I hated Ali. Chapter 4 was really good though.

Olberic: Quality from start to finish. Best part was reconciling with Erhardt and fighting with him on your side. Chapter 3 was the real climax. Only disappointment was that chapter 4 felt like a bit of a retread with the "guy ruling a town" thing, and in a less interesting way than some of the others.

Primrose: By far the most interesting IMO. Really felt like they were going for the emotional punches and giving everything real impact. The twist that Simeon was the villain was a bit weird, since I thought he was Primrose's age at first, but I guess he's just a creepy old guy. Also Chapter 4 was super insane and cool. Definitely the most bizarre part of the game.

Alfyn: I had no idea what they were going to do with this after the first chapter, but unlike Tressa, they actually managed to bring in some interesting side characters for chapters 2 and 3. Ogen, Miguel, and Vanessa were top tier for the game, and they felt like they challenged the protagonist better than anyone in any other route. Chapter 4 wasn't quite as strong a finale, but it was good.

Therion: Cordelia and Heathcote were awesome. I liked every part of the plot that had to do with them a lot. Wish they'd been focused on more, even, since the recovering the dragonstones adventures weren't as exciting. I didn't really like the Darius stuff that much. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't great, and it had the same "guy controls a town" plot.

H'aanit: Very good stuff from start to finish. I very much liked the focus on monsters rather than people. Made for a refreshing change from the other routes. I even would've liked less focus on people - the scenes where she talks to herself in the forests and such are the best. Great stuff.

All the routes were good stuff in general, pretty much, with Tressa being the only one that was really a letdown.
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That's correct. I do wish some followed other formulae. Especially Tressa could've had a completely non-violent chapter. A couple of the Chapter 4s ever follow the same formula as each other, which is weird.
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Is there something that makes Tressa better as Runelord than the other characters?
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I found all four of them to be pretty tough. Starseer managed to get my whole party unconscious and then I just slowly died over the next few turns.
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Archuria needs 53, so 40's a decent point to be at.
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what's the problem with mrgrgr

I think it's a wonderful tl
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It's enough time to clear the shop, yeah. Don't think it's quite enough to clear the shop and all three versions of every quest though?
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Where are you guys getting your info about Mountain being less efficient? The guides I've seen suggest it's the best place to farm unless you don't need all three mats.
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It's definitely the toughest node. Fortunately you don't need a ton of Iron at least.
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just use a bunch of apples and you'll be fine
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HF is getting three movies and the first one is really good.
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How is Makoto the more obtainable girl anyway? Ann definitely feels like the easier type.
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Then why are you talking about people being wrong? Ann gets way more doujins than Makoto does, so obviously Ann wins out with the crowd you're talking about.
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Yup, 3 > 5 >4 the correct order any day.

Not sure what Granzon's on about with Ann being better than Makoto though. Ann barely even exists after the first 10 hours of the game.

TexasZea posted...

these guys are literally being held hostage by morgana and aren't allowed to say anything bad about persona 5

I feel like I remember you saying it's an 8/10 game, but you seem awfully negative about it now.
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Emilia's way cooler than Rem. People just like Rem because of how devoted she is to Subaru, and because she's a maid. All the otakus dream of having a girl who doesn't care about anything other than them.
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Got to Tressa chapter 2

Ali is the worst character in the game
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First arc is the one where he's a spirit detective or whatever. It'd be fair to say the later stuff is better, but it's certainly not as interesting!
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You can use items while in a Provoke battle
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First arc is the most interesting one in YYH.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

Well it's like pop songs. I can like them on the first go but still appreciate the repetition more!

That's a bit unique! Most people I know don't mind pop songs at first, and then come to hate them because they get overplayed so much.
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LapisLazuli posted...

Random thought, but was Tanya the Evil a total flop? Just realized that it's the only anime Studio NUT ever made.

Uh, no? It was a big hit. They're making a movie now.
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Are you getting Square's latest game, Octopath Traveler?
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New manga chapters are usually finished ~10-12 weeks before publication.
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Done four characters now (H'aanit, Cyrus, Therion, Alfyn, in that order). Kinda funny how much easier they got as they went along and my characters got way more powerful. Still only have one of the superclasses, sadly. Cyrus seems like by far the best character gameplay-wise. Magic is insanely useful and does a lot of damage too if you have the right buffs in place. Still fun stuff so far.
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You get 20 Mana Prisms for each one you do, so presumably you could see which ones still have the MP rewards.
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Apothecary seems useless to me? Alfyn is mainly good for Concoct.
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Is there a list of re-added shows?

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2018-07-26/crunchyroll-adds-outlaw-star-shakugan-no-shana-more-to-catalog/.134707

ah, here, though I guess Nichijou's not on there

really they should just re-add Encouragement of Climb S2
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AoE NP5 Assassin will be quite useful for farming
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Ging the true villain of HxH.

I hated him from the first chapter honestly
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I'll definitely be using Herc.
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Voltch used 35 tickets and didn't even get any event CEs if that makes you feel better.
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Probably best to start with Wood since that's what the 3* CE boosts, assuming you're rolling FP anyway.
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GoT has a few great ending themes! They're more one-off powerful things most of the time though. I think a few shows have done that.
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...

oh I just realized it's funny I posted about MMORPG anime when I'm about to seemingly get into an arc about them now kind of

Greed Island is super amazing and probably better than any MMO anime. IMO anyway. It's probably like the third or fourth most popular arc of HxH in general. Most people like Yorknew more.
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htaeD posted...

I do like the way they integrate the path actions into the final chapters.

H'aanit doesn't even use her path action in her final chapter <_<
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Especially since it leads to the great Mass Effect 3!
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NowItsAngeTime posted...

Mac Arrowny posted...

Could just read some good complete shounen series. Helck is great and I think lefty's the only one here who's read it.

Most people who read long ass shounen series don't wait till it ends they gotta be one of the peeps that talk with people ongoing as it airs weekly/monthly

Didn't stop them from reading Jojo years after it finished!
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Could just read some good complete shounen series. Helck is great and I think lefty's the only one here who's read it.
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the thing about Jump is that when one series ends another series is added, so someone more deserving gets to have a livelihood if Yuuna fails

KommunistKoala posted...

there's plenty of lns to read

with much much more detail about everything!

The Overlord LNs aren't very good though.
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Use just for bosses!
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If only there were fewer AoE attacks from bosses tanking might actually be useful.
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Rider Martha's problem gameplay-wise is that she's a defensive servant who's good for hard content, which we haven't had much of yet. Ruler Martha always fun stuff gameplay-wise though I think.
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Are there any recommended subclasses for each character? Kinda curious about what's considered to be optimal. Not including the special ones.

Also, what's Olberic's special ability? Everyone seems to have one other than him. Maybe I'm just missing something obvious.
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swordz9 is B8's #1 Jojo hater
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